tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post2386386055124691353..comments2023-10-29T10:24:54.533-04:00Comments on LORI'S READING CORNER: ARC's & Ebay VentLori's Reading Cornerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17127618104792876357noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-67437356928061140472010-03-23T13:27:54.210-04:002010-03-23T13:27:54.210-04:00I am fired up now too. Your little picture on the...I am fired up now too. Your little picture on the post could be right now. Unbelievable how abusive some people are. I hope to someday be an author, and I would be crushed to see if I entrusted my book into the hands of people for early reviews and this happened. <br /><br />This sort of activity will ruin it for those who can be trusted.Sheila (Bookjourney)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05354184020340930630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-56796840653138757252010-03-23T12:48:07.324-04:002010-03-23T12:48:07.324-04:00Just a correction - it's not illegal (it's...Just a correction - it's not illegal (it's not against the law), but it may be against the publisher's wishes. If they know who is selling them they won't give more copies to that person. Also, as a former bookstore employee - I was told that wording was there so the potential buyer would know it wasn't a post-release copy and also so it couldn't be returned for cash.Moniquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17023625442346811083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-32224094641503081502010-03-22T19:43:20.744-04:002010-03-22T19:43:20.744-04:00I'm totally appalled at what some people will ...I'm totally appalled at what some people will do for money. In some of the cover letters I get inside ARCs the publisher might say "please feel free to share these with your friends," but I doubt that they understand that some people take this to an extreme and sell them. <br /><br />My thinking on this is that perhaps when you see something like this happening, you should contact the author and the publisher as well to let them know what's going on...point them to the link. You should also let them know that there are still honest people in the world who are really dismayed over the few who might possibly wreck it for all of us. <br /><br />Sadly, I'm not surprised at this situation, but I am saddened. It has seemed for some time that there are some people who are feeling much more "entitled" and don't really care about what consequences their actions may have on others. You know, like those of us who actually ask for the ARCs in the spirit in which they are meant to be received. <br /><br />If you need in publisher/author contact, feel free to email me. I want to keep getting ARCs to review and I don't want some greedy person screwing it up for me or any of you reading these comments.NancyOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12027036137062767840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-19921786087687390762010-03-22T15:53:45.101-04:002010-03-22T15:53:45.101-04:00Here is the response I received from Ebay. I guess...Here is the response I received from Ebay. I guess since the publisher (who owns the book) put a big "NOT FOR SALE" sticker on it, that doesn't mean too much!<br /><br />Thank you for writing eBay to report advance reading copies.<br /><br />If a seller were to xerox a book and attempt to sell it on the site, we would remove it under our Unauthorized Copies policy.<br /><br />While advance reading copys do not violate any of eBay's immediate policies, it may be that the listings infringe on the intellectual property rights of the rights owners associated with the advance reading copies. Rights owners can have items which they feel infringe on their intellectual property rights removed through the eBay Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) program. When participants in our Verified Rights Owner<br />(VeRO) Program notify us that a listing has violated their intellectual property rights, by law we have to remove that listing. <br /><br />As this is the case, we encourage you to contact the rights owner when you come across an item that you believe may infringe on their intellectual property rights. <br /><br />You'll find a list of rights owners and contact information, as well as information about infringing items, in the VeRO Program About Me pages. <br />To view the list, please go to:<br /><br /> http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html<br /><br />Keep in mind that the list of rights owners does not include all rights owners that report through the VeRO Program. This list contains the rights owners that have chosen to post About Me pages that provide information regarding their products and legal positions. If you can not find a specific rights owner in the list, a web search should help you find contact information for them.<br /><br />For future reference, using the "Report Item" link on the listing page makes it much easier to report potentially violating listings to eBay in the shortest amount of time.<br /><br />Thank you for your efforts which help keep the eBay Community safe!Lori's Reading Cornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17127618104792876357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-27354365169288835592010-03-19T21:43:30.989-04:002010-03-19T21:43:30.989-04:00Great post and I totally agree with you! When we g...Great post and I totally agree with you! When we get ARC's, we are doing it for the sole purpose of reading & reviewing and creating buzz for the books that will soon coming out. I hope that the publishers who are sending those amazing ARC's ( and I too would LOVE to have her connections!) realize what is going on. Does the person even post a review somewhere? Just goes to show you that there's always a few bad apples in the bunch.Suzanne Yesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340451897624838384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-55133200177145405512010-03-19T16:30:50.471-04:002010-03-19T16:30:50.471-04:00Lori, thanks for posting this. I had no idea that...Lori, thanks for posting this. I had no idea that people were selling ARC's. I am very interested to see if Ebay responds back to you. Perhaps a bunch of us could do a anti-ARC blit on Ebay and shower them with complaints. I would even go as far as reporting sellers that are doing this.Teddy Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16145413222317511542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-21590555956139835352010-03-19T12:41:56.364-04:002010-03-19T12:41:56.364-04:00I completely agree! What ticks me off even more t...I completely agree! What ticks me off even more though is when I see them for sale at a library sale!<br /><br />Come on!! The library should have MORE respect for books, authors, etc.<br /><br />I remember years ago buying a book on ebay and receiving an ARC. I was shocked and annoyed and embarrassed. I thought I was buying a foreign copy as I knew it had been released in Europe already. I didn't even know what to do with it once I received it because I didn't want to keep it.<br /><br />Great post!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02985863503993163353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-63907620973498537712010-03-19T12:20:26.366-04:002010-03-19T12:20:26.366-04:00wow that's sad to hear though. It's no won...wow that's sad to hear though. It's no wonder ARC's are harder to come by nowadays thanks to a few idiots who feel the need to make some cash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-137111946585153082010-03-19T10:57:28.661-04:002010-03-19T10:57:28.661-04:00I totally agree, when I am lucky enough to get an ...I totally agree, when I am lucky enough to get an ARC it goes on a special shelf in my bookcase. They are like presents to me, my family or friend may read it but it goes back on the shelf. <br /><br />What's so hard to understand NOT FOR RESALE!!<br /><br />I hope every one of those pirates are caught and made to walk the plank.dollycas aka Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03083999148282652155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-64664460805923429582010-03-19T07:06:02.411-04:002010-03-19T07:06:02.411-04:00I sent a message to ebay last night. I didn't ...I sent a message to ebay last night. I didn't name names - YET. For now, I just wanted to know how they can allow items that are illegal to sell (ARC's/uncorrected proofs, etc) to be posted for sale. I'll see what their response is (and post it here) to that and take it from there. <br /><br />Unfortunately X isn't the only person doing this. If you go to Ebay (and they are also the only ones not doing this, I'll get back to this in a second), and you do a search for "ARC" you will get 2679 hits. If you search for "uncorrected proof" you get another 277 hits. <br /><br />Today, a new posting for the upcoming Charlaine Harris book has a "buy it now" price of $249.95!!! No bidding, nothing. Buy it now only. I actually put it on "watch" so I can see if another person is foolish/desperate/has enough money in this economy to actually pay this price for it instead of waiting 6 more weeks and paying $12.00. <br /><br />Now Ebay isn't solely to blame. I have been on www.fantaticfiction.com doing searches for upcoming books. When you find a title and scroll down, it will list all the places you can buy a book. For example, search (on FF) for The Red Queen by Philippa Gregory. A listing on Abebooks will come up where you can buy "an uncorrected proof" now, for $20.00. The book won't be released until August 3rd. So it's not just ebay that's breaking the rules, it's booksellers too!<br /><br />All I know is that if an author, publicist or publisher sends me an ARC (I'll be more than happy to give any of you my address :) I will read it and give an honest review of it. I may pass it along to a friend, or use it as a giveaway to create more buzz, but I would NEVER sell it! That's my promise as a reader & blogger.Lori's Reading Cornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17127618104792876357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-58107433913025653632010-03-19T06:40:38.960-04:002010-03-19T06:40:38.960-04:00I can't believe Ebay doesn't know (or hasn...I can't believe Ebay doesn't know (or hasn't been alerted by a publisher or two) that ARCs are not to be sold. Any ARC I've received states that on either the front or back cover. I would think there would be legal issues for seller as well as Ebay.Mary (Bookfan)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00573126476574980169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-75678694932608774702010-03-19T02:14:00.254-04:002010-03-19T02:14:00.254-04:00Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I can&#...Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I can't believe someone would do that.DemonLoverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14113070930450526223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-31631368775504120142010-03-19T00:14:52.772-04:002010-03-19T00:14:52.772-04:00I know there are dishonest people. It still gets m...I know there are dishonest people. It still gets me mad when I hear about their exploits.Bekahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17495796538020025891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-30312961587963074652010-03-18T22:53:44.671-04:002010-03-18T22:53:44.671-04:00The usual way around this is that the seller offer...The usual way around this is that the seller offers the COVER LETTER for a price and throws the ARC in for free.<br /><br />I'm amazed some don't even try to cover it up.Camille Minichinohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04701150885595400018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-29465122351016495402010-03-18T22:09:32.884-04:002010-03-18T22:09:32.884-04:00Absolutely agree with your post! I cannot believe...Absolutely agree with your post! I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to do this. I hope X gets prosecuted by someone! Thanks for putting this out there!Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17320403550938221507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-16377478229734067062010-03-18T22:06:39.900-04:002010-03-18T22:06:39.900-04:00There are those of us who work so hard to receive ...There are those of us who work so hard to receive ARC's so we can read and review them. This is terrible. Every ARC that I have ever received is here on my bookshelf. I consider it an honor to have gotten them. I wish there was something we could do to stop this. Outraged!Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14494736723648584602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-48242069688254473582010-03-18T19:27:47.280-04:002010-03-18T19:27:47.280-04:00This is terrible. I think it is time to start nam...This is terrible. I think it is time to start naming names an notify publishers what she/he is doing. I take some of my arcs to my local "Curves" exercise place where we have a little lending library. I put a sticker in each one that says NOT FOR RESALE.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01135328206108100271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-43949497308566326292010-03-18T18:33:30.939-04:002010-03-18T18:33:30.939-04:00Makes me upset! Also, you can find DVD's full...Makes me upset! Also, you can find DVD's full of ebooks on there as well. That's awful too, they'll sell DVD's with 100s of books on them. Authors and publishers get nothing :-(Angela @ Reading Angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01444833786368414559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-47157616086488411432010-03-18T18:25:04.451-04:002010-03-18T18:25:04.451-04:00I too can understand your frustration. I would lo...I too can understand your frustration. I would love to be able to read and review those books. It is not a difficult concept to understand that they are not for sale. I hadn't heard that the FCC wants to impose taxes on ARCs. Does anyone have more information on that?Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01337919035210017251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-52590927439259403492010-03-18T17:48:21.215-04:002010-03-18T17:48:21.215-04:00Lori, you are not alone in your outrage. I have h...Lori, you are not alone in your outrage. I have heard from authors, publishers, and booksellers who are saying that they are seeing this more and more. BAD NEWS indeed! <br /><br />I would like to think that people who have access to ARCs show the proper respect for what they are. <br /><br />Unfortunately, I think ARCs are passed on to friends, relatives, etc, who don't have the same accountablity or suffer the same consequences as we do. <br /> <br />I hate to be a book hog, but maybe we should make a pact to keep our ARCs within the book blogging community, instead of giving them away to readers.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497303169422440094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-88372446595846428822010-03-18T17:30:48.719-04:002010-03-18T17:30:48.719-04:00Oh my gosh--what an eye opener. Surely, now that ...Oh my gosh--what an eye opener. Surely, now that it is known what is happening couldn't eBay be notified and the sale of these ARC's be banned as well as the seller(s)? Is that possible to do? I sure don't like seeing this nicety taken advantage of. It ruins it for everyone. <br /><br />Good for you for speaking out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-89963859528866955552010-03-18T17:15:31.272-04:002010-03-18T17:15:31.272-04:00No wonder the FCC is trying to make bloggers claim...No wonder the FCC is trying to make bloggers claim taxes on the books we are given. It's people like that who give us a bad name and I, for one, totally agree with you, Lori. People certainly can be greedy.LuAnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13049897327581610278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-40237027499277523722010-03-18T16:42:10.820-04:002010-03-18T16:42:10.820-04:00Your comments are SPOT ON! Geez...it annoys me to...Your comments are SPOT ON! Geez...it annoys me to no end when people try to sell ARCs --especially when the people selling them try to get them in deceptive ways.<br />Anyone who works in the book business knows it is a tough industry. It doesn't help at all that there are unscrupulous people out there taking advantage of publishers and authors by selling their ARCs.<br />Glad you brought this to light!Publicist who agrees 100%noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-31495783735338051762010-03-18T16:40:29.256-04:002010-03-18T16:40:29.256-04:00It really irks me that people are selling ARCs. Th...It really irks me that people are selling ARCs. They are a great way to generate reviews and buzz, but when the publishers get wind of this kind of thing, I think it's sort of a bad apple reaction -- if X causes me not to get ARCs because of her actions, I'm going to be pissed! I don't get paid to do reviews, I do them because I'm passionate about the books and want to get people interested in them. This, auctioning them on EBay to the highest bidder is crap.Becky LeJeunehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01030931605009567165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019569699965275470.post-77642125751117228812010-03-18T16:32:59.630-04:002010-03-18T16:32:59.630-04:00OMG, yes thankfully I was sitting down but now I a...OMG, yes thankfully I was sitting down but now I am as mad a hornet!!! How do we stop this?? I would love to make a little cash, but I am having so much fun with my blog and do is for purely enjoyment purposes and wanting to help authors sell their books, so they keep writing more for me to read. Like you say this ruins it for everyone, I hope every publisher finds out about X and never sends them another book. Maybe we need to surf Ebay and look for people like this committing fraud and report them to a higher authority. I am now po'd just like you.dollycas aka Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03083999148282652155noreply@blogger.com